tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419468357626274672.post173699160628808017..comments2023-11-03T06:04:08.211-07:00Comments on Second Effects: Who Knows You?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419468357626274672.post-53578482113102270252008-12-16T12:13:00.000-08:002008-12-16T12:13:00.000-08:00Armin, your appearance on The 2nd QuestioN! was sp...Armin, your appearance on The 2nd QuestioN! was spectacular & your opening complete with drums by Sage Duncan brilliant! Absolutely sensational & that should be shown in loop somewhere. <BR/>Agreed to each their own way of marketing, no "Holy Grail" for all, as we do have different products. S;-D <BR/>Pooky Amsterdam<BR/>http://www.pookymedia.com/Pooky Amsterdamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06148300159339851110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419468357626274672.post-90703834113025577522008-12-16T00:06:00.000-08:002008-12-16T00:06:00.000-08:00Ah, ok, your team member never got back to me on t...Ah, ok, your team member never got back to me on that question. If you are still interested, my partner in that business is from the US and does not have my timezone issues.<BR/><BR/>In order to avoid misunderstandings: I am NOT saying show appearances are a bad idea! On the contrary! And even though percentagewise only a "minority" (a ~30-40% minority) is the core audience, this group is certainly among those with the largest commercial power, and with the largest subset of movers and shakers.<BR/><BR/>As Armi says, there is a whole lot of options out there, and just like in FL you need to create your very own media mix to fit the needs of businesses in SL as well.Peter Stindberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05187648076397777162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419468357626274672.post-16120442119899221682008-12-15T16:31:00.000-08:002008-12-15T16:31:00.000-08:00Nope Peter I actually asked you because of your Gr...Nope Peter I actually asked you because of your Green furniture. I guess until that is proven we wont know for sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419468357626274672.post-46623593244553575712008-12-15T14:50:00.000-08:002008-12-15T14:50:00.000-08:00/me grins - Incidentally I run the largets and old.../me grins - Incidentally I run the largets and oldest translation agency in SL. Wasn't that why ou invited me in the first place?<BR/><BR/>My experience is that most non-English speakers with some Englihs knowledge are quite OK with notecards and blogposts, but not with voice events.Peter Stindberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05187648076397777162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419468357626274672.post-91481860358399606312008-12-15T14:10:00.000-08:002008-12-15T14:10:00.000-08:00Good Points Arminax, as to Peters comments, I woul...Good Points Arminax, as to Peters comments, I would imagine that blog posts, notecards, podcasts, press releases, and many of the things Arminax suggested would be language specific (not sure if Craps sign has a language babble-fish thingy in it...)unless you have the ability to get your blog, press release, notecard translated. <BR/><BR/>Tonight Lives audience is definitely english based at the moment, (subtitles have been mentioned as an option but not viable, too expensive and probably not an attractive option for non-english speaking people" and yes the majority of viewers are definitely in the States, but not even England and Canada are in the top 4, would you believe, as viewers, the next country under U.S was Israel this last month! .sometimes its France and Britain. in number 2 or 3rd place...<BR/><BR/>English as a second Language is spoken very well through Asia and Africa and many many other countries, the issue is not really the language barrier as I see it, as such but that SL is predominately used by people in the U.S, and getting your widget out to another demographic is tricky as SL is basically broken up into countries like in RL. German folk who are a large SL user basically hang out at German Sims, Italians the same...they have their own shops their own culture within SL, I do see a lot of different nationalities at the larger more popular shops like Armidi and places like that, but these people don't get to find out about smaller operations primarily because they are not listed high enough in Classifieds and don't appear in Showcase. <BR/><BR/>Classifieds and Showcase are the most significant way to get your widget seen. Why else are the top Classified advertisers paying over 500K a week!!!!!!! thats for that first page with the pretty pictures..then there is a steep drop in price after the first 8. The Lindens have the equivalent of the Yellow pages for Second Life with Showcase and Classifieds, and creating your own "Pink Pages" (which was always a dud, (PPs I worked as an illustrator for the yellow pages for 6 long boring years :)) is impossible I think so far to do...<BR/><BR/>Its a case of a real lack of large mass media in SL that covers all social and cultural borders I don't think its english as much. <BR/><BR/>I can't get my widget (my TV shows) out to those areas easily without some form of mass media which has not happened yet in SL. We are still in SL separated by cultural divide. <BR/><BR/>Aussies are just like that! they mostly hang out at their aussie themed sims, the very small population under 15 thousand people, that are in SL, (our weather is too good I think for many aussies to spend time indoors..) just dont want to go somewhere where they don't know anyone..and don't feel comfortable...we are definitely culturally different from Americans we have our own weird humor and social interaction.<BR/><BR/>I've often wondered how to get to the typically non-english speaking countries, because I know that a great deal of them can speak and understand enough english to watch my show if they were interested enough to do so. <BR/><BR/>I have some ideas...like plonking a ruddy huge TV in the middle of where ever they hang out..but teaching a lot of people (as Arminax) said to click that damn vid button may be the problem...<BR/><BR/>Go to any live event in SL and see how many people ask "how do we hear"...its that damn UI its just doesn't get through to a lot of people..is it a language problem when they arrive in SL? they don't know what the video and Music button are for, and they certainly don't know that when you go to a live event you click on one or the other to watch and hear...it should be sooo basic and easy, but even the lindens don't know how to use their own sound settings, (a story for another day :)<BR/><BR/>Circe Broom owner of Sunset Jazz has a sign in her venue now to explain it..but its in english :)<BR/><BR/>As far as the time zone goes Peter you obviously need your sleep :) and time-zones... thats just part of being in a global community but the amount of people who have refused to come on my show because they have to be up at 3am is probably about 2 over 70 shows, and there are a lot of my guests that live in England and Europe ect..that I've interviewed it all depends on what sort of Sleep depravation you can afford, and as far as accents go Ive found that people are extraodinary forgiving and kind when listening to a person who's 1st language is not english if they want to hear what they have to say, we just take things a little slower..but over all it depends on, how much you wanna be on my show....<BR/><BR/>So yes.. while we do need some gadget or widget that automatically gives options for other languages when clicked to receive information on your widget, it would definitely help but SL is amazingly like RL when we want to try and cross country cultural borders.<BR/><BR/>regards Paisley<BR/>Host of Tonight Live<BR/>www.perfectworldproductions.com.auAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419468357626274672.post-21109048086732355222008-12-15T00:24:00.000-08:002008-12-15T00:24:00.000-08:00As effective as show apperance might be, among all...As effective as show apperance might be, among all your options it is the one with the most severe limitations: timezones and sound.<BR/><BR/>I got invited a while ago to "SL Tonight Live", and while the possible PR for this would have been tremendous, I had to decline mostly due to timezone issues (rehearsal would have been at 3am my time, the actual show from 4-5am my time), and secondly to the availability of sound as I would have been required to use a microphone (not to mention my accent).<BR/><BR/>Also LISTENING is an issue too. I routinely have no sound on, but even the folks who have are with a 60% percentage no English native speakers. While they might be able to read English fairly well, listening to a podcast or (live-)video event might be a challenge.<BR/><BR/>So basically with podcasts and show appearances you only target a ~30% minority (the US- and Canadian citizens).Peter Stindberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05187648076397777162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8419468357626274672.post-30792080546323896842008-12-14T22:10:00.000-08:002008-12-14T22:10:00.000-08:00The landmark giver signs are a two-pronged strateg...The landmark giver signs are a two-pronged strategy.<BR/><BR/>They take advantage of the viral nature of the signs, since they are 1 prim and full permissions. Anybody who puts one up can give them out to others.<BR/><BR/>The other element is the fact that if you do NOT have a sign up and a performer is a part of this effort, they may question why it is not up. That's the peer pressure-push aspect of the marketing of the signs.R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08430588783013579581noreply@blogger.com